With ##########all due respect, I will have to say that I totally disagree. Capital punishment most oftentimes is related to terminating a persons life due to fact that they took a life wrongfully (homicide.) The offender facing a death sentence (who was justifiably convicted and found guilty) is responsible for their actions and should suffer the consequences.
Abortion is the taking of an innocent human life (a baby) that has done no wrong, not given a chance, and has absolutely no control in or of their demise.
I actually support *both* for a variety of reasons.
1. The death penalty (although controversial) is useful because it rids society of those who are completely hopeless of any modern existence. Serial killers/rapists people who harm the innocent and the vulnerable (children)
keepin them alive (life in prison) only drains society of tax dollars while many Americans who are not in the system live in poverty. Why should a serial killer live the rest of his days with 3 square meals, televsision and a bed when single mothers get their children taken away because they are forced into homelessness?
2. Abortion is absolutely necessary. Although some people may abuse the procedure, it's still a medical need in a lot of cases. But many people abuse a lot of things that are necessities, so basing the legality of it off of the abusers is counterproductive.
I agree with you and I support both as well. I will be first to acknowledge that there are serious flaws with the death penalty such as unlimited appeals, it is expensive, and there is the possibility of executing the wrong person. However you know how much taxes it takes to feed some of these people with life sentences in prison? It is not any cheaper than the death penalty in my opinion.
Plus this is just my opinion but there is no place in this world for pedophiles, rapists, and murderers. I was raped when I was younger and I carry the stigma and pain of it for the rest of my life. I want them to feel the same pain that I STILL deal with if you know what I mean.
Abortion needs to be a personal choice. i would not get one but who am I to say what someone else should do, especially if I am not in their situation or their shoes. I feel that as a society we need to be empathetic to people and try to understand within reason of course.
I'm about 90% against the death penalty and here are my reasons.
1 It actually puts the families of the victims through YEARS or even DECADES of extra emotional trauma as it slowly makes it way through a very slow court system.
2 Because of all the appeals and such the death penality is actually MORE expensive then jailing the person. Even if the person was young to start off with.
3Some things about the death penality are just IDIOTIC. They give the person a physical to make sure they are healthy enough to kill? A man on death row wanted to kill himself but they saved him so they could kill him later? Tell me this makes a lick of sense.
4 You turn the prison people into murderers. Plain and simple. They don't need that sort of emotional scaring. Their jobs are tough enough as it is.
5 For the religious people the Bible says thou shall not KILL. It does not specify whether you can kill bad people.
HOWEVER: In certain cases like serial killers or child rapists I can see where it would be justified but kill the jerk IMMEDIATELY.
ABORTION: I'm against this in 99% of the cases. The only time it would be acceptable to me is if something is wrong with the fetus or the mother would die from giving birth. I believe its every woman (and father's) choice though. So pro choice.
Planned Parenthood did 329,445 abortations in 2010. I have not heard about 2011 yet. I am 101% against abortation. Killing a innocent BABY is wrong. Just like a prisoner killing anyone is WRONG. But killing them doesnt make it right. Doctors who are killing these innocent baby's are not in prison. This post absolutely offends me.
This post was only designed to get people's opinions on it. I dont see anything said that could have been offensive. Good debates are great personally, and we all do not have to agree. Honestly there is nothing offensive about this post.
Abortions are legal. Why would the doctors performing them be in prison? Because YOU personally don't like it? I personally don't like people who blah blah about a topic, and then claim they the topic they just spoke about offends them. Should my dislike allow said person be punished? Ridiculous, all of it. I'm honestly so friggin tired of people spouting off crap they know little to nothing about. Abortion is good. Abortion is painless for the fetus. Abortion is a safe and necessary option for unwanted pregnancy. Statistically society has benefited from allowing such an option. Unwanted pregnancies dropped after abortion was legalized, as did violent crime some 20 years later. Correlation- parents who raised children that they wanted did a better job of raising them, resulting in a less unstable/unhappy home life that nurtured violent criminals.
Planned Parenthood has done more for the social good than many can even understand. They aren't baby killers, they are life advocates because they work to help and educate the less fortunate. And I can say without a doubt, Planned Parenthood has aided your community (or one like it) more in this past week than you will do in your life time. Want to bash on something, bash on ignorance as it's the monster in the closet causing the majority of these unwanted pregnancies/abortions. Slay that monster by first educating your self, then try (and I mean TRY) to educate your community, and you will soon experience a shift in what is considered offensive..... blind ignorance.
I don't really believe in abortion unless the pregnancy is a danger to the mother's life or the baby wouldn't survive past birth anyway. Or maybe the baby would have some horrible painful disease. In those cases I could see it. Otherwise I would recommend BC or adoption. However, it is a personal choice. While I won't say it is GOOD, it should be legal.
I agree about Planned Parenthood. The funny thing is only 3% of their work is connected with abortion in any fashion and they do a lot of good.
Lets air this mother out.....
Abortion is a very small percentage of the services/education Planned Parenthood provides. Abortion is not murder, it's the termination of a potential birth. Keep in mind, pregnancy does NOT naturally equate birth. Want to stretch abortion into murder, then one might suggest that NOT having sex murder as well. Consider that the potential birth (ovulated egg) will not be fertilized(no sex) and thus be deprived of further existence via your period. By that way of thinking, every period a woman experiences, and does not actively fertilize, is an abortion. As is every male ejaculate with thousands upon thousands of potential births(sperm) swimming around looking for an expectant egg, with all but maybe one surviving the journey. Stretch this even further, and it seems we men were purposefully designed as abortion machines, spilling countless sperm to an eventual and unavoidable death. Is it an evolutionary error, or the result of some grand design? I'll let some one else be the judge, as I've expelled enough imaginary crap for one evening.
lol Not depressing, just some crazy over the top simplification used to make my point. If taken literally I supposed it could be seen as depressing...... and I as a crazy ranting fool which I most certianly am not......
the end in near
Where would this great country be without debate. My career of choice is criminal justice. Debate is an adult version of Arguing. Different people have different opinions about everything. Abortion, Religion, and the death penalty are and always be hot topics for debate. What can be done about this? Nothing. Because different people have different opinions on these topics and many of thousands of other topics its virtually impossible to come up with a topic that EVERYONE is going to deem non-offensive. Personally I don't see how these two subject matters can be compared. Granted they both deal with killing but other than that they are not comparable. Abortion is about preventing life. (which can be argued that life has already began) and capital punishment deals with ending the life of an adult or person that can, and refuses to, differentiate between what is morally right and what is morally wrong.
My post here is completely irrelevant to the actual topics and my opinions are not relevant to my purpose. My purpose is merely to point out, that (and this is only my opinion) opinions are just that, opinions. There is no possible way not to offend someone for saying something however, in this case a question was asked for opinions on the topic. By reading this topic, as well as the opinions of others, I truly cannot see how one would be offended by what is said here.
No, I don't believe/agree with either. Why? My faith, I don't feel we have the right to take anyone's life, regardless of the crime, age of person, fetus, etc. Hate the sin, not the person.
i dont think they should kill people for comiting crimes because sometimes people are not guilty, but they get put in jail because of mistakes, and or for MONEY REASONS, and as far as abortion goes why get a abortion with the welfare system we have here in the U.S. government housing, foodstamps, healthcare, education. the reason for geting a abortion is selfish its like fixing a mistake with a mistake, and i think men should have a say in the manner if a woman is going to kill there off spring, if men are forced to pay child support then they should have a say what will be done to there offspring. my reasoning is the government shouldint be able to tell people what to do in these matters if a woman wants to kill her baby and its ok with the dad then along as its still in her body she should be able to do what she wants and he wants. just because a group of people have a faith or think there god doesint want them to do some thing should not give them the power to control people,
How can you say that there is no reason for Abortion and that it is selfish because of the Welfare system that we have here, but then in the same breath say that a man and a woman should have the right to do what ever they wish with their child as long as it is still in the mother's stomach? To me that sames as if though it is a oxymoron. We do have a great welfare system in the United States but the problem is that the welfare system is running dry because people are going out and have kid after kid after kid in order to keep getting benefits. Why not put a regulation on how many kids each family can have, instead of giving them free ground to do nothing more than breed and stop abortions and over population.
If you put regulations on how many children people can have there will be an uproar. Also what do you do if someone has two kids but is only allowed one AFTER that law was passed. What do you do if someone is pregnant while it's passed or if they have triplets? Do you force people to get fixed? If you do will the government pay for these procedures?
Yes, men should have a say in whether or not a woman gets an abortion but when it comes down to it she is the one carrying the baby. Not all abortions are done for selfish reasons. There could be something wrong with the pregnancy that could kill the mother or the baby could be born still born. Also not EVERYONE can get all those government benefits. I'm generally opposed to abortions but one sized shoe does not fit everyone. If the man consented to sleep with the woman then he should suck up the fallout.
I have mixed feelings about capital punishment.
On the one hand, if there is eye witness testimony PLUS solid evidence, and the person was just psychologically messed up, capable of murdering again, then yes.
But, I also heard that it's usually pretty expensive b/c of all the appeals and that many cases have been overturned b/c of DNA evidence (Prick Perry still stands behind it though)
Also, it punishes the relatives/friends of the criminal.
As for abortion, do anti-choicers not understand the concept of choice?
In my case when I got pregnant, it was my CHOICE to keep the child , even though I suspected (correctly) that the father might leave.
Still, it was my CHOICE to keep it b/c I 'knew' my family would end up supporting me, even though they were POed at first.
A 'friend' of mine got pregnant...it was a horrible situation and it would have been the humane thing for her to have had one.
I'm pretty sure she had been molested by her father and was doing everything she could from having to move back in...she tried to drink herself into a miscarriage, she drank and smoked through the whole pregnancy...unfortunately she did not know that drinking increases the likelihood of developmental issues with the fetus.
I hardly saw her while she was pregnant (she was avoiding me at the time, she was feeling guilty and confused)...the last time I saw her was in the delivery room...she was smoking and looking very upset.
How on earth is that preferable to an abortion in the first trimester?
Yet she was raised in a Catholic church, surrounded by the anti-choice Protestants who lie and say it's murder.
If she gave it up for adoption, who on earth is going to adopt a brain damaged child? Orphanages are overcrowded so unless you know someone personally, I wouldn't recommend it. However, I would try to advertise or see if theirs a waiting list at an adoption agency.
That's what my aunt did so she could adopt a newborn.
(If you read about human development you'll find that humans need contact with other humans in the first few years or they will get brain damage.)
'If you can't trust me with a choice, how can you trust me with a child?'
I can not believe this is a topic again!! Did no one learn from the passed discussions on this topic? I don't understand does some one think if you keep repeating the same thing that you are going to get a different outcome?
That is all I have to say about this topic.
One could argue, that the familiarity effect is actually beneficial. The more an individual is repeatedly exposed to something, the more likely they are likely to agree and/or like it. For example, if your family has always had dogs, you are likely to grow up and like dogs.